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Decrease the popularity of PSM exam.

Last post 09:57 am April 20, 2025 by Marcello Eduardo de Oliveira Dias
7 replies
05:49 pm May 2, 2021

I am very sorry for maybe a little bit unethical question from my side, but don't you think that PSM and PSPO certifications are not so valuable as in the past? 

I am asking because i am working i a big and we'll known company currently and, previously there was mandatory for Scrum Masters to have PSM or CSM certification, but now it is not required. The same situation in some other companies. So, don't you think that PSM certification are going to the past?

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06:47 pm May 2, 2021

I dont like to make certificates mandatory for any hirings. But when I review resumes and see psm1 cert I understand that a person know how to work in Scrum. This is always multidimentional but this is always additional point. 


07:22 pm May 2, 2021

I have just run the following Google search which returned many jobs that mention the PSM qualification: 

psm I: jobs


02:20 am May 3, 2021

@Alfredo, I am not sure where your data is coming from, however the data that I see definitely differs.  That said, the PSM I or PSPO I certifications are only one piece of a complex puzzle and nobody should be hired solely for having a PSM or CSM.  It is just a sign that you understand Scrum or differentiator for you.

Also, I am seeing many companies using the assessments to do exactly that, assess where teams and individuals are and where they need to study and grow.  Using the assessments for PSM, PSPO, etc. as a guide for where they need more training or coaching, etc. to improve the team and individuals.


05:21 am May 3, 2021

I am asking because i am working i a big and we'll known company currently and, previously there was mandatory for Scrum Masters to have PSM or CSM certification, but now it is not required. The same situation in some other companies. So, don't you think that PSM certification are going to the past?

Perhaps there is a trend in those companies to try and control what Scrum means, so their "Scrum Masters" are less likely to present a challenge to the status quo.

Outcomes are likely to remain unchanged. There'll still be a need for change anchored in a more rigorous understanding.


02:41 pm May 3, 2021

In the times that I have been a hiring manager, I have neve hired someone because they have a certification.  I hire people that can show experience if I am looking for a upper level staff member. If I am searching for an entry level, I still want to hear them be able to provide some explanations for their answers.  Having a certification does not mean that either of those can be done.  

I have multiple certifications in Scrum from Scrum.org and ScrumAlliance.  None of them have ever gotten me a job. I get jobs by being able to listen to the questions that are being asked and then provide intelligent answers.  I have my certifications because I wanted to take the exams to prove to myself my level of understanding.  

I also agree with @Ian Mitchell.  Many companies use Scrum terminology but aren't doing Scrum.  What those companies want are people that will learn their Scrum-but.  Scrum-but is "We do Scrum but we do these things differently because ...".   Finding people that have project management experience or are well organized will usually suffice for the Scrum-but roles and have less difficulty "following the rules". 


02:42 am April 20, 2025

In Brazil PSM is more respected than CSM.

In fact I know some CSM friends that say they tried PSM1 and failed,and thought:If I have failed in PSM1 imagine in PSM2?

As one HR people said once:CSM cost more money and PSM costs more neurons.

But they prefer a CSMII instead of  a PSM1,and sice PSMII people are very rare to find they have to adapt of what they have in hands.

 


09:57 am April 20, 2025

Well,More two cents.

Here in Brazil,I have worked in some companies that used "SCRUM" and anothers that used SCRUM.

I know that Scrum Alliance probably has so much good intentions as SCRUM.ORG,but in the practical side things are being really different, at least in Brazil.

Every good implementation,those where the Scrum master had the courage to really change the status quo had an Scrum.org affiliated.

I myself advocated against "SCRUM" for a period,because I have seen a pattern where developers selected less and less PBI every sprint,because they looked like monsters if they don´t come with a sacrifice for the AGILITUS God in the divine portal of the review,a divine portal that opened every two weeks,if you did not give your offering for AGILITUS in this exact four hours someone had to die or at least be punished.

In this environment politics are more important than openness, developers creates a private club in order to defend themselves from the P.O and the scrum master.

I know a companies that used to have few developers and now that They are in "agile" they have an army of Oompa-Loompas,and just like the frog that dies as the water gets hot,they don´t feel that "SCRUM" is the problem.

One thing that distresses me in Scrum ALliance and others are the fact that is very easy to get certified,in many cases it cost just hours for it,because even the money don´t come from your pocket ,many times the companies pay for it,managers send future "SCRUM MASTERS" to go there and come to answers that align with their point of view, so we can make our adapted version of Scrum.

The way Scrum.org worked with Kanban comunity also shines,and at the same time is  very difficult to sell to companies that are addicted to story points,estimations,and "cronograms",they spent more time estimating and summing points in order to made a "cronogram" than refining the backlog itself.

So,I don´t want to be in the biggest army,but in the army that fights for the right thing,because I really like to do what I do,hours lasts centurys when youŕe doing something if you feel is wrong.

 

 

 


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